What dream have you had that didn't seem to be an ordinary dream?
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The word,"dreams", used by many is surely an impotent word in our language,and should not be taken literally; it describes the surrounding surreal, dreamlike quality of the experience.
The Eskimos have many words for ,"snow", but we only have one word for ,"dreams" which often are not, but cannot be described in any other way..
When one is under demonic obsession, or psychic attacks, "dreams" imposed, certainly not their own are experienced; when patients experience astral travels, OBE, NDE or alien abduction 'screen memories' they can easily and mistakenly use the misnomer word of "dreams", which should also not be called "dreams". Our language is impotent concerning such impositions
Answers to this question:Ordinary dream is an oxymoron. The Eskimo supposedly have many words for snow, but that's not a fair comparison to the English language, because we have many adjectives to apply to the noun "snow", just as we have many adjectives and other descriptors which may be applied to the word "dream". Don't be too quick to dismiss the English language as inadequate.
Example: You describe dreams as something aliens implant in us. I describe dream content as something that a larger unconscious world influences our personal unconscious in idiosyncratic ways.
Snow and dreams are our most 'impotent' words; Eskimos have singularly DIFFERENT words for wet snow, blinding snow, heavy snow, packed snow, drifting snow, light snow, blizzard snow( you did surely notice the singlemost repetition and non specificity of the impotent English word , "snow" for ALL these conditions?)
Ordinary dreams, as a stipulative, within this context, are those that we produce ourselves and which are subject to self erasing mechanisms when we move after sleep and are most easily forgotten..
Prophetic "dreams", demonic "dreams" and alien broadcast "dreams" all are retained as most vivid and remain rememberable, for weeks and even years afterwords and therefore are not "ordinary", that is, self produced, within this context.(You also surely noticed the comparable repetition of the English impotent word, "dream" for all these nonsimilar states?)
English is an impotent language for "snow" and "dreams" within this context, surely...
You just proved my point. You said, "wet snow", "blinding snow", "heavy snow", "packed snow", "drifting snow", "light snow", "blizzard snow". Then you went on to qualify distinct types of dreams: "Prophetic dreams", "demonic dreams", and "alien broadcast dreams".
See? The English language is not so limited after all.
As for dreams, whether a dream is remembered or not doesn't sound like a reasonable, or even factual criterion for its ordinariness, since so many remarkable dreams may be quickly forgotten. The reason for this is that dreams occupy their own conscious space, and may be quickly and discretely separated from the conscious processes of the brain.
You purposefully choose to misunderstand; it isn't the ADJECTIVES, it's the word,"snow" that is impotent; it isn't the qualifying words, it's the NOUN, "dream" that's impotent. The Eskimos DO NOT NEED ADJECTIVES that sit before an impotent noun; although you attempt obtuse truculence you surely can and do understand; you just enjoy arguing for argument's sake.
Why do you assume a specific noun is superior to an adjective to a noun? Why are twenty specific nouns qualitatively superior to 20 different adjectives, or even a nearly infinite variety of combinations of adjectives to describe snow, or dreams? Isn't that merely the proverbial "rose by another name"? After all, you quite successfully (and not impotently, as you claim) described seven different qualitative states of snow using the marvelous language of English. What's impotent about that?
Since this querie, dearie, is old hat for you, you should perhaps answer another elsewhere, but you did still miss my point, by a far margin, about the nonspecificity of the word," dreams', given the wide spectrum of non-ordinary,"dreams".
As you are formally training for a profession long uniquely inept and unqualified to discuss such things, as "dreams", and given that I now recall your willingness to attempt to interpret such, for others, who are the only ones to hold a true key to such meanings, I shall await other responses.
I'm not naive to this question, nor is it particularly original, since I have heard it and answered it so many times.
There are many approaches to answering the question, and I'm sorry if you are unable to appreciate that.
Way #1: Cultural differences. Why should the English language need 20 different words for snow? If the Inuit language has 20 different words for snow (and stop me if you understand the Inuit language better than I, which i know nothing about, except by way of the anecdotal hypothetical "snow" question you have alluded to, as many others before you have), snow is predominant in that culture. Likewise, there are cultures, particularly primitive animist people in South America and Australia and other places that do give prominent relevance to dreams.
Way #2: You're saying the English language doesn't give different nouns, in addition to the many wonderfully colorful adjectives, to states of water? Oh, really:
- liquid
- steam
- ice
- snow
- slush
- drop
- pond
- like
- ocean
- sea
(etc)
or fire:
- flame
- ember
- carbuncle
- blaze
- pyre
- blaze
...These are all discrete nouns that describe qualitative distinctions in the phenomena of water and fire. If the argument is that our culture is somehow deficient because our language doesn't use only nouns, rather than noun clauses with adjectives, well then, I just don't see it. I would offer that English is superior because it has many nouns and many adjectives, and there is almost no end to the novel ways these can be combined to convey far more than only 20 states of snow.
Now, getting back to dreams...
"States of water", was never an element or criteria, under discussion, unless you mean Hawaii, or even Florida, a state surrounded on three sides by increasingly major drips.
Yes it was. You said the "Eskimos" had multiple words for different kinds of snow. Well, these different "kinds" of snow are really different states of water. So are they entirely different things (unrelated nouns), or are they varieties of one thing? Our language is adequately equipped to describe either case.
Since this querie, dearie, is old hat for you, you should perhaps answer another elsewhere, but you did still miss my point, by a far margin, about the nonspecificity of the word," dreams', given the wide spectrum of non-ordinary,"dreams".
As you are formally training for a profession long uniquely inept and unqualified to discuss such things, as "dreams", and given that I now recall your willingness to attempt to interpret such, for others, who are the only ones to hold a true key to such meanings, I shall await other responses.
You can't tell by looking in a dictionary that nouns have sometimes long, sometimes multiple definitions? Are you saying "dream" is so evasive a concept, that we don't know what we are talking about when we say we have had one?
Are you saying that our language does not provide for more specificity, if asked? Of course it does.
As for your last paragraph, Paul, I yet again protest your need to stoop to ad hominem attacks and the logical fallacy of appeal to emotion in order to make it seem like I'm so stupid and you're so much smarter. I have answered your questions quite satisfactorily.
You're certainly not stupid but I thought you were smarter.
Again with the ad hominem. I've addressed your questions directly, what more are you looking for? Agreement? I can't do that without honesty.
In the bible one of the profits gift was to dream an to for worn like the famine a flood etc. I truly believe that dreams are a window into the future and the subconcious can hold many secrets.The human brain is a remarkable tool of knowledge of which we as a human race do not use enough. If we is it possible for all of us to fly to the moon in our dreams.
Since you asked for us to describe "dreams" we had and somehow this got hijacked, I'll actually answer your question.
Many years ago, I had to (not amicably) part ways with a dear friend due to circumstances beyond my control. Since I never got to have closure, the situation haunted me for years but it was not within my power to make matters right.
One night about 2 years ago, I had a very vivid dream in which I sat at a party laughing and talking with a group of old friends, I became aware that someone sat off over my shoulder out of my line of sight, I turned to see my dear friend. I exclaimed how good it was to see them again and how I'd grieved over the rift of the friendship. My old friend began to apologize for the past behavior and let me know that they understood what had happened and that they took responsibility for the incidences that caused the breakdown. We talked and laughed and forgave each other and caught up on happenings to each of us.
I woke the next morning with such a lightness of spirit and happiness on the renewal of the relationship that it took me a number of minutes to realize that it had only been a "dream". However, it in no way diminished my feeling that there had somehow, indeed, been closure and forgiveness between us. I still have not spoken to my old friend and actually don't even know where they are or how they are. We've had no contact at all. To this day, l feel like our issue has been resolved and I feel that somehow they know it too. It would not surprise me if I were to someday learn they had the same dream.
I do not pretend to know how any of this is possible, I just know what I experienced.
A few days ago I dreamed a software program. I don't know if I just was dreaming something that already exists, or was envisioning something that needs to be invented. Either way, I'm a bit lost because I'm not a programmer.
It was a gorgeous presentation though. I was seeing the user side of it - what it would make possible for a novice; and at the same time, I was seeing the gorgeous, intricate, artistic diagrams of programming language behind the scenes that make it all possible. It was like looking at a Leonardo de Vinci detail drawing. There were layers upon layers on the technical side, one right under the other, becoming more and more complex, and yet, I was still being able to see on the surface the amazingly simple and truly beautiful end product.
I woke up and called a programmer to see if I could discuss with him what I'd been seeing in my dream. I have yet to get a call back. He must think I'm a little nutty.
To comment on the pig trail that seems to have developed from your original question- I'm hardly one to disparage the English language, I'm afraid I couldn't help being prejudiced since I've been in love with it all my life..:) However, I do find at times that it could do well with a few better words in certain places. I have even gone as far as to make up one of my own- LOL --only in casual conversation though- honestly.
As to the original question- One may find the answer and demonstration of such, in my article- "Let the Dreams Begin.'
Total Answers: 7, Total Page Views: 258.I was living in Siena, and I dreamed one night that there was an earthquake. The building I was living in collapsed and I was buried beneath the rubble, but I didn't die, I was rescued. When I woke up, the dream felt as if it had been a real experience. That night, for real, there was an earthquake with the epicenter not far from Siena. The whole building was shaking and swaying. I went out into the street and at some point lost my fear. It was amazing. When I got back to bed, aftershocks were still happening, and as I fell asleep I wasn't sure if those would be my last conscious moments. The aftershocks happened for days.
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